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kokut
Hello, how can i set my own numbers?
that part of the doc is empty ^^
is there anyone here?
stormqloud_
bleep
anyone know where the feature codes are defined
before they make it into callflows
monster-ui.. not clear how sup callflow_maintenance update_feature_codes operates then
kokut
hey man, anyone here? got a couple of newbie questions
stormqloud_
hi
kokut
stormqloud_: hi
stormqloud_: sup?
stormqloud_
screwing with kazoo!
AvatarDog
kokut: I am here :D
kokut
AvatarDog: hi !
AvatarDog
kokut: whats up
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kokut
AvatarDog: i'm trying to figure out if 2600hz is adequate for my business
I'm need lots of phone numbers
AvatarDog
ok, you may want to talk to sales, but if you have any technical questions I can definitely help out.
kokut
with the possiblity of receiving SMS and phone calls
i just need to know if thats possible
i need real phone numbers i can use in cellphones
thousands
AvatarDog
hmm, honestly not sure about that. The thousands of numbers is no problem, the SMS part might be, depending on what you want to do. Are you looking for a hosted solution or are you wanting to run your own cluster?
kokut
i want to run my own cluster if i can afford it otherwise id have to go with the hosted solution
I need the numbers to be able to receive (not make) phone calls from international real phone numbers
vralev
it's more about the protocols rather than calls and sms
AvatarDog
You should definitely talk to sales about your options here, if you want to run your own cluster, I believe you would need to work out an agreement with a carrier for SMS. We support the protocols in the newer releases, but you still need to tie into the network.
vralev
in kazoo you can receive SIP calls and some sort of messages over SIP or HTTP
kokut
no man no SIP i need real phone numbers
like the one in your cellphone
i need to emulate cellphones actually
you think its possible?
vralev
the entity that owns the numbers decides what protocol to expose to you, most of time it's SIP
kokut
what entity that owns the numbers?
vralev
it's possible for sure but you need to work out the protcols with the owner of the numbers (the carrier or some reseller)
kokut
I need real cellphone numbers like the ones that you get when you have a SIM card
AvatarDog
Guessing you are not in the US?
kokut
nope i'm not in the US but it doesnt matter
i dont care where the numbers are
could be in zimbabwe as long as they work
stormqloud_
kokut, numbers can be forwarded to outer numbers
kokut
how can i get the numbers?
AvatarDog
From a carrier.
kokut
i know i could talk to some carrier to get them in bulk, become a reseller or something but why can't i spawn my own numbers like carriers do? Considering there are thousands of carriers
vralev
you buy numbers from carriers or resellers and they will send you SIP calls on behalf of those numbers in general
kokut
why do i have to buy the numbers from a carrier
stormqloud_
kokut, you can;t re-engineer the phone network from nothing
because every number is already owned by somebody
kokut
thats weird, even numbers in zimbabwe or niger? i dont think so
maybe in the US
stormqloud_
you have to bribe the right person in Zimbabwe I guess
In the rest of the world you have to become a carrier to get a number allocation
kokut
i thought about it but i dont think its really necessary
stormqloud_
which costs millions in legal fee's etc
kokut
how is everyone so sure about that
stormqloud_
becuase we have been doing this for decades
every country is slightly different tho.
kokut
i've been watching some carriers in those african countries lately and i know they haven't resources
stormqloud_
could be, I don;t know much about their rules
the owner of the company is probably some princes kid tho
kokut
i can tell from their websites
stormqloud_
I met one person that got his phone company license in Panama for example
it's just a form, pay some money to various people and away you go
but now try to get it working and you have another problem
anyway, Africa etc is way outside of my zone of interest.
kokut
look at this http://www.moov.ne/
poorest country in the world
stormqloud_
no that's greece
kokut
stormqloud_: nowadays it doesnt matter where your phone has been purchased or how your number looks like, i can talk via whatsapp or gtalk or skype or w/e with anyone
stormqloud_
that's not really true
kokut
same thing happened with domain names, at first it wasnt like that but 5 years ago people started getting domains from countries all over the world
stormqloud_
if somebody gives you a phone number to call them in cuba an dyou live in north america they likely won;t call you
since it costs like $.50 per min
nobody wants calls that go half way aroudn the world and add latency like that
kokut
thats exactly the reason why they will be using skype/gtalk/hangouts/w7e
stormqloud_
I don;t think we have the same client concerns
my clients don;t use that stuff at all
kokut
my clients use more whatsapp than anything
stormqloud_
in north america it's most teenagers that use that
kokut
well, they are the future, they will continue to use whatsapp
stormqloud_
you are right, nobody will use the phones soon.
only skype and gtalk
kokut
its free
AvatarDog
Well to get back to the original point, its a separate thing to get a phone that is connected to the PSTN. Those numbers have to be routable and that means everybody needs to know about them.
kokut
i think, same with domain names people will soon start to care less about where the phone is
stormqloud_
you go with your theiry, I'll go with mine ;-)
AvatarDog
Phone routing should probably be like BGP, but it isnt, its hop to hop to hop through some carrier.
kokut
i think paying to the carrier when you make phone calls to phones inside that carrier is OK
but i dont understand why do i have to pay a carrier for a number
if i have the technology to spawn my own numbers
vralev
how can you spawn your own numbers?
kokut
i dont know thats exactly what i'm asking
stormqloud_
you can;t
kokut
i probably need to hook up to some international telecomunications center or something
yea right, tell that to the owner of the telephone company in Togo
stormqloud_
maybe apply to make a new country. Voipnesialand
vralev
well you can spawn your own numbers the same way you can spawn your own IPs, you can do you it locally, but nobody else in the world will know about them and you wont receive packets
kokut
just tell me how mr mumbuntu in Togo can have his phone company and i cant
vralev
even if you are in position to start and new country and new tier 1 telecom, nobody will route numbers to you unless you sign agreements with everybody separately
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