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vralev
even now I cant receive phone calls from ukraine for example because my cell operator doesnt have agreement with them
kokut
oh well that's interesting
you said phone operator, why cant i just buy the most outdated pice of hardware from the 90's from russia or something and hook it up to the central telephone/we cable thing and start my own company
if i send calls to another carrier, i pay them, if i receive calls from other carriers they pay me, isnt that the way it works?
stormqloud_
you do not and will not get a billing agreement with other carriers
if it's so easy you should definetly do it
kokut
stormqloud_: well, i know for a fact that there are thousands of carriers around the world, many are very small
stormqloud_
yes there are of course
vralev
well there used to be a funny loophole in US somewhere where you get paid to use certain phone numbers in some areas
but that was an exception lol
stormqloud_
there are many of these and they are the subject of many lawsuits
it's free conferencing apps located in places with no people
vralev
right
stormqloud_
again, the KEY thing is BILLING AGREEMENT
and once the carriers figured out they were being ripped off
kokut
i dont care i agree with everything as long as they send me the phone calls
i dont have nothing to lose
stormqloud_
except time and money
kokut
i dont have money and have plenty of time
thats why i'm seriously considering to spawn the company in Togo or Niger or some african country with hardware from another era
those countries already operate with technology from the 80s
people literally have nothing not even food, do you think they will care if i spawn a million phone numbers in there
i still need someone with technical knowledge of how phone networks work
vralev
its a matter of negotiation with the telecoms, they may give you numbers for free I dont know, most wont
even if you get the numbers for free how are you going to make money from that?
kokut
vralev: why do they have to give me the numbers? why cant i be the one giving them the numbers to call me to?
you know in some countries with very little population the phone numbers are only 5 digits long?
btracht
can i have 2 accounts dial each other by extension
or split 1 account into 2 entities?
stormqloud_
btracht: not really. you need to use a full number
and make sure it's setup as wnm_other or wnm_local can;t rememebr which
you can have a callflow map to another number the person never see's that makes it goto the other account
so you get the same effect
kokut
vralev: u there?
btracht
stormqloud_: i have a client who's remote locations (about 25) each are basically their own entity yet they all dial 4 digit extensions between each other
stormqloud_
hmm, that's more complicated. Is each location a different account?
btracht
they don't have to be, but for record keeping it would be cleaner
right now users and devices are labeled per location (user, loc.1; user, loc.2; etc) in the same account
i would like to have something like a account/sub-accounts, but be able to dial by extension within all sub-accounts
stormqloud_
hmm, sounds crazy but maybe use a pivot
pivot see's extension 2222 and then rewrites that to 1212333444 which then points to the phone in the other account
the problem is otherwise I can;t think of a way to do it without hardcoding lots of extensions as callflows etc
btracht
for this particular client that could work because each extension has its own DID...
i have another client who is doing something like this but only 1 DID per location
stormqloud_
if you setup the master accoutn as a reseller then the subaccount can flow up to it's "cariers"
btracht
so i can't point 2222 to specific extension only to the office DID
stormqloud_
but you can;t go down a branch again
well you can make fake DID's but that's really messy
btracht
yeah. i've thought of a couple possibilities but trying to keep it clean
stormqloud_
basically you want to "peirce the multitennant " open
to access the short dial in other accounts
the other way is to do something with feature codes
you van have feature codes that are patterns
I've got a client that want to use 15 different caller id all off 1 phone
btracht
to specific outgoing DIDs?
stormqloud_
no just to selct to use one or the other
another client wants a DID in each city and to use automatically the caller id of that DID in each city
as flexible as kzoo is, people come up with stuff!
btracht
yes they do!
stormqloud_
I'm looking at what callflow modules I will need to modify
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