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atmc
calculate
U, S, V = svd(A)
inv(A) ~ V 1/S U*
stateless
http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project
biniar
"Pruning and Polishing"
:)
kori
> After a few years, NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing. (I never promised this section would be free of mistakes.)
what
stateless
lool
he is trolling you kori
Evil_Bob
will hammerfs or an other performant filesystem come to OpenBSD?
kori
I caught a tongue in cheek vibe from that
but it's still kinda hard
to see
Evil_Bob
i saw the discussion of softdep on the ML, made me think of it
kori
Evil_Bob: HAMMER2 is getting work
stateless
kori, not sure it is
Evil_Bob
OpenBSD without softdep is superslow
kori
but it looks like it's the next hurd
stateless
the student applied but there is no such project accepted on the gsoc page
to port hammer2 to openbsd that is
the non-clustered version
kori
what do you guys think about btrfs
stateless
Evil_Bob, I don't use softdep
I don't see I/O difference on my ssd
I hate softdep because you can lose entire config files if your machine crashes
kori, sucks
Evil_Bob
i definitely notice a difference (when compiling ports and stuff)
stateless
yeah then maybe
but for normal usage it seems just as fast
you can put softdep on only /usr/obj
Evil_Bob
yeah probably
i like the cleanness of OpenBSD alot, but dragonflybsd (not tried yet) seems also interesting
its a bit more aggresive with new features
and hw support
stateless
Evil_Bob, dfly doesn't have good hw support
suspend resume doesn't work at all (the ioctl is #if 0)
gfx is getting there but doesn't work well
for laptops, openbsd has the best hw support for all the BSDs
atmc
OpenBSD is thinkpad os :D
stateless
I only run dfly on servers
Evil_Bob
stateless: oh ok :)
stateless
those with lots of storage
because of hammer
you could perhaps use it on a workstation with a supported gfx card
Evil_Bob
openbsd works really well on my laptop, pretty much zero config
stateless
but not a laptop :)
Evil_Bob
(acer laptop)
stateless
also both freebsd and dfly have too many knobs and the defaults aren't always great
sysctl | wc -l
422 on openbsd
4813 on freebsd
:P
Evil_Bob
lool :)
stateless
1596 on dfly
atmc
freebsd has a big knob
if you know what i mean
stateless
https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=tuning
and man pages like this scare the sh*t out of me
:P
LitoII
hi
stateless
hi LitoII
atmc
stateless: exactly, why do you need a tuning manpage?
stateless
atmc, because you can't decide on sensible defaults
atmc
if its cool, enable it by default
if its not, delete the code
stateless
yes you have two possible categories
atmc
right?
right
stateless
a) corner case, no one should know why you need it and what you did
b) enable it default
by default
atmc
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/57584055.jpg
stateless
lol
"System Power Down not supported, halting system."
love mips
:P
k0ga
stateless: sysctl -A | wc -l in netbsd = 809
stateless
openbsd sysctl doesn't need a flag
it lists all of them by default :P
-a is a noop
k0ga, sysctl is the windows registry of unix
:P
k0ga
yeah
stateless
I wonder how many sysctl knobs 4.4BSD had
k0ga
stateless: do you know when sysctl was added?
nmeum
> sysctl first appeared in 4.4BSD.
atmc
guys, pls vote for the retro thinkpad specs
survey 4 includes linux support
kori
to be extremely pedantic: it doesn't talk about linux support
but rather, whether linux should come preloaded
in which case, we can assume the thinkpad will have linux support
because how would a thinkpad run linux without linux support?
haha
atmc
:P
stateless
http://web.archive.org/web/20130731202547/http://pplab.snu.ac.kr/courses/adv_pl05/papers/p261-knuth.pdf
atmc, already did
atmc
if openbsd would get hammer that would be so gnarly
stateless: i have a really ugly codebase but there is not a single goto :D
stateless
lol
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