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FRIGN
hey guys
I had the weirdest issue today
retard
erectile priapism?
FRIGN
in the end I found out that it was because I had updated udev, but not openrc
I hate this sh*t
why does crap like this need to be so complex?
__20h__
FRIGN, because hardware is complex.
We haven't found the transcendent cloud yet.
FRIGN
__20h__: btw, you were right. I was too lazy dealing with the portage-conflicts in my Gentoo installation
I could resolve the conflicts by increasing the backtrack-factor to 200
(and some other juggling)
So now I am on a good way ^^
Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] Yes
Sorry, response 'Yes' not understood. [Yes/No] Yes
typical portage haha ^^
__20h__
FRIGN, then you entered something strange.
Yes, increasing backtrack solves those problems of old packages requiring old dependencies.
FRIGN
What confuses me is that the feedback 'Yes' apparently does not contain anything strange
__20h__
The worst thing is still the samba issue that the newer version has kerberos issues.
FRIGN
maybe it was an unprintable character
__20h__ could you elaborate?
__20h__
samba > 3.99 requires heimdal and does not all mit-krb5.
But most packages need mit-krb5.
mit-krb5 and heimdal block eachother.
FRIGN
ah ok
that sucks
__20h__
I don't have a need yet for the newer samba features.
Just file transfer has to work.
I'm using SSH for printing, which is superior to cups and samba.
FRIGN
__20h__ I'm using CUPS, but will definitely look into it
Evil_Bob_
2germanboys1CUPS
__20h__
FRIGN, you will need cups for the local driver.
But I'm using SSH with private keys to run lpr on the other end.
That's faster than any multicast discovery or HTTP requests with invalid drivers.
FRIGN
ah, you are only talking about network printing
in this regard, this definitely is the unixy-approach :)
__20h__
FRIGN, the drivers are ugly. The big printer vendors don't really support Postscript and PCL needs special commands.
FRIGN
ssh is useful for a lot of things, however, latency and throughput hinder it from reaching more areas
k0ga
__20h__: the problem is when the remote printer only supports CUPS
and it is not an unix/linux machine
__20h__
FRIGN, latency is a problem of your hardware. Just replace it.
k0ga
a real printer
this is the situation I have in the work
__20h__
And throughput isn't a problem anymore with octacores.
k0ga
and I tried to avoid CUPS, but at the end it was impossible :(
__20h__
k0ga, install Windows 10, it has SSH builtin.
FRIGN
__20h__: A problem which will solve itself over time
okay
btw, 20h: I'll definitely look into buying a "dump" printer and a Rpi linked to it via USB :P
Maybe it's cheaper than buying an all in one network-printer
k0ga
__20h__: the printer is a phisical network printer
and I don't have access to it
or maybe you were talking about installing windows 10 in a virtual machine?
FRIGN
k0ga: you need a local device hardlinked to it
__20h__
k0ga, at least the protocols aren't that complex to make some one-shot script.
k0ga
FRIGN: yes, at the end is the solution. But it also has some problems in this environment
access to the network is controlled by MAC
__20h__
FRIGN, I'm buying network-only printers because of the printing price and because it's possible to use them without Windows.
The USB printers tend to be expensive and Windows-only.
k0ga
so if I want to connect something I have to put my computer after a NAT and put the MAC of my computer to the device
FRIGN
__20h__ I never had issues setting up printers via USB. Maybe I was just lucky.
__20h__
FRIGN, you have been lucky.
dami0
i just print pdfs from usb sticks
__20h__
k0ga, is this really a professional environment?
dami0
most fool proof way i have found so far
FRIGN
__20h__ I was surprised to hear a while ago that CUPS was used in OS X and is being actively developed by Apple
I mean, they bought it in 2007 or so
:P
__20h__
FRIGN, it was the first daemon to have a HTTP configuration interface.
It's something systemd didn't copy. :(
FRIGN
__20h__: well, at least you can control systemd via Mail
systemd-mail-daemon@192.168.1.3
sending a mail to this adress, containing commands
__20h__
FRIGN, that's the first usecase for SOAP over E-Mail.
atmc
FUCK SHARED LIBRARIES
RIGHT IN THTE POSIX
k0ga
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
atmc
is pkg-config use advised?
Evil_Bob_
nein it sucks balls
__20h__
atmc, at least it simplifies some versioning stuff.
I'm using it for finding webkit libraries in surf.
k0ga, done that, worked fine.
k0ga
__20h__: I had several problems when I pushed today
__20h__
k0ga, did you report them?
k0ga
some erros were printed (I don't have a session copy), and as far as I know the mails were not sent
__20h__
Well, this does not help at all.
You should know this.
k0ga
__20h__: don't worry, if they persist I will give you a better description
__20h__
All errors have to be fixed.
k0ga
it was just when I was leaving the jobs, I couldn't copy the message errors
__20h__
This is not your corporate environment.
k0ga
__20h__: this is the reason why I use some of my spare time here ;)
__20h__
k0ga, well, then don't produce such crappy bug reports.
I could have fixed it now.
FRIGN
__20h__: Where can I contact corporate support for suckless software?
and which ISO standards does it comply to?
k0ga
__20h__: FRIGN did you see some mails about commits in scc today?
__20h__
FRIGN, you can easily see the complete picture by putting your hands in front of your eyes.
FRIGN
k0ga: none today
__20h__: facepalm? :P
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