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__20h__
su - should lead you to the usage.
stateless
from the point of view of implementing it and fu*king up arg.h yes
from the point of view of muscle memory and unnecessary swearing, no.
__20h__
If your muscle memory works it shouldn't be a problem.
stateless
I did not imagine using arg.h for this
it expired last century
__20h__
If it doesn't work, get to a elderly home and live there the rest of your life.
stateless
__20h__, I will send a patch to include '-' then
:P
and continue living in an elderly home
it falls in the same category as head -1234 instead of head -n
same for tail and fold
__20h__
If you want to copy GNU, go on.
stateless
chmod is retarded too
but we support all these for the same reason
__20h__
Because you don't control the project.
stateless
__20h__, I never said anything about GNU
but the features I use, I want
__20h__
Yes, then use GNU.
They support it.
Do I really have to get you in line on the suckless ideology?
stateless
__20h__, there's no trade-off here
tail -123 has been supported for 30 years or more, GNU has nothing to do with it
it is nice to respect the muscle memory of others when there really isn't any trade-off to make
for su it doesn't matter much because it is only used interactively, so you don't need to worry about scripts
retard
suckless needs a community manager :D
Ypnose
iirc, -1234 is from SuSv3
stateless
Ypnose, it existed before that
7th edition unix had it
Ypnose
nothing to do with GNU then ;)
stateless
these are pointless discussions
there's real work and real trade-offs to make for sbase and ubase
retard
i concur
but i'm a filthy peasant right now
__20h__
I don't have the time like uriel to get you in line again.
If you want GNU, then you know where to find it.
retard
gnu is all around us
k0ga
__20h__: we have done similar things in st
__20h__
k0ga, it's an emulation layer, not its own standard.
Ypnose
__20h__: if you dislike GNU so much, may I ask why you use GPLv3 for one of your project?
__20h__
Ypnose, because it forces you to open up your sourcecode.
Why do you ask such a stupid question?
Ypnose
no sh*t
retard
virality, bi**h
Ypnose
you misunderstood me
retard
i don't think he did
__20h__
Ypnose, the GPL was proven valid in front of German court.
Ypnose
I don't talk to you retard
__20h__
So it's a real tool in the juridical world.
Ypnose
ok
__20h__
Ypnose, of course you do, this is a public channel.
retard
Ypnose too bad, you're gonna have to deal with me responding anyway
k0ga
I think there is two different things here, the GNU GPL license, and the GNU code
the GNU code is horrible
the license has some usages
Ypnose
retard: feel free to do your job
retard
Ypnose what job
__20h__
Well, the ground problem is a different one: The actual mental ability to split up entities.
Ypnose
k0ga: we agree on that
retard
clearly __20h__ does as well
this isn't rocket surgery
kori
I dislike the license because if I were to want that level of control over my code I'd just make it proprietary
I have no qualms with developing proprietary software
__20h__
kori, I've worked with too many idiotic embedded devices to know the future.
All of this has to be open. The GPL broke up many platforms.
retard
and i've written code that has shipped in those idiotic embedded devices
kori
__20h__: then the only solution is to make a viral MIT/X
__20h__
No, there's the AGPLv3.
Just shove it down those people's throats that still write proprietary software.
kori
(for me)
__20h__
Writing proprietary software is an act against mankind.
It is wasting valuable resources and introduces unneeded complexity.
Ypnose
sadly, the GPL has a limited "power". Companies like Allwinner do that and it doesn't seem they are worried about prosecutions
I meant they violate the license
k0ga
__20h__: did rms come into you?
xD
__20h__
Then it's up to you to find the authors of that code and get them in contact with the right lawyers.
kori
writing proprietary software is only an offense against mankind if you include malicious code
Ypnose
I doubt I'm the right person to do that __20h__
__20h__
kori, no, if you don't write reusable code you are missing the profession.
Because otherwise you will write everything over and over again.
And that's where resources are wasted.
stateless
this happens even in the open source world
__20h__
Ypnose, but there's where you could improve yourself. Just lurking on IRC will end you up lurking on IRC:
stateless
because it is always easier to make something inferior than to study something existing
__20h__
Suckless is here to change this.
stateless
yeah
Ypnose
__20h__: get over yourself
everytime when I can help, I do it
kori
__20h__: :/
I'm saying IF
__20h__
Ypnose, you're keeping to stay the animal you are.
kori
I make my code open 90% of the time
I'm waiting for the echo of the 60-70's compsci culture
this current "trendy coder" scene is not for me
Ypnose
__20h__: probably
retard
y u no startup
i was very amused when i learned that the ycombinator crowd rags wildly on tox for not having a monetization path
stateless
https://github.com/brynet/file
nice
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