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stateless
those who can't code, teach
Evil_Bob
lol
stateless
if you can code you already know it cannot be taught
Drakevr
yeah i agree there for the most part
learning to code is 10% teaching 90% experience
stateless
yes and reading good code
Evil_Bob
and 69% mindset tbh
stateless
and 13% licking balls when things don't quite work
Evil_Bob
like alot of programmers i've met just see programming as a 9-5 job, like a plumber
stateless
i do 9:30 to 6
cuz im an outlaw
Evil_Bob
and dont take pride in making a solid program
Drakevr
or code anything outside of that 9-5
Evil_Bob
yeah
stateless
Evil_Bob, tbh i don't mind that they don't code outside of work, i do mind that they do not make their work code as solid as possible though
Evil_Bob
stateless: true @ outside work, but another example, it bothers me when people dont know why something is a bug, apply a "bugfix" and just go on with work
this is what i meant with mindset
stateless
yes that sucks
the truth is debugging is hard
and most people do not enjoy it
but it is a prerequisite to doing anything
Evil_Bob
yea
stateless
i mean debugging has to be enjoyable
i am not talking about random sh*t that get in your way
like some toolchain issue that u give no sh*t about
that's always annoying
Evil_Bob
in general i really like debugging
ofcourse if the progress is really slow etc not so much :)
stateless
yes
it is the only way to learn
i just hate to deal with infrastructure issues in the middle of debugging a hard problem
like anything not related with the primary problem/code
Evil_Bob
kindof unrelated, but i remember liking to configure my linux box etc, lately i kinda hate it
stateless
im also not good at quickly switching to other tasks in the middle of debugging something
i cant stop thinking about it if i have to do sth else
Evil_Bob
like configuring Xorg, fonts etc
stateless
and it has because priorities change etc.
Evil_Bob
yeah same
stateless
that's all at work, at home i decide :P
Evil_Bob
stateless: sometimes i solve bugs when im at home taking a sh*t or w/e
and i just randomly thing about an issue lol
stateless
yes
Evil_Bob
*think
stateless
have it too
i have it regularly when i interrupt my debugging session and go for a smoke
then rush back to test the change!
lol
Evil_Bob
lol nice :)
stateless
btw been playing with the event api on openbsd
man event
as an alternative to poll
pretty nice
most daemons in base use it
tmux uses it too
Evil_Bob
ah yeah, it is heavily modified / hardended from libevent i think
stateless
u can avoid many pitfalls
not sure about the history
Evil_Bob
i saw httpd, relayd and nginx use it
stateless
it was written by niels provos
maybe it is unrelated to the official libevent
Evil_Bob
i think they forked the earlier version of it and maintained it in the core tree, could be wrong
stateless
ah actually the official libevent is also by provos
yeah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libevent
heh tor uses it
Evil_Bob
heh
stateless
imsg is also very interesting
for privsep stuff
very lightweight ipc
say between privileged parent and unprivileged child
Evil_Bob
lol http://research.google.com/pubs/author1.html
that avatar
stateless
yeah he is a crazy guy
he has done a lot of work on bsd
worked on openssh a lot too, probably still maintains it
Evil_Bob
btw have you read http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150924072002 ?
quite exciting although i dont own broadwell
stateless
omg!
yes me neither
Evil_Bob
nice to see they support newer hardware
stateless
Evil_Bob, obsd has the best gfx support
between the bsds i mean
Evil_Bob, building kernel
:P
Evil_Bob
stateless: yeah i was impressed it works so well (desktop and laptop)
i have to say im tempted to try zfs on freebsd or hammerfs on dragonfly though :)
stateless
yeah
thing is with storage stuff
Evil_Bob
i hope such a filesystem comes to openbsd too or with such improvements
stateless
u can always have a dedicated box/nas with whatever
fbsd/dfly isn't going to fly on a laptop
Evil_Bob
lol
stateless
i mean performance wise it will be fine
but suspend/resume won't work :P
gfx issues too
Evil_Bob
havent had gfx issues on openbsd so far, mpv works well too
stateless
yes
it works better than on linux
on linux i always get horizontal flicker in mpv
Evil_Bob
yeah for my laptop i had to set some custom acpi cmdline or some sh*t would be broken
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