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shloky
yeah, sure, some specificity may help you get in the mindset
thirdtruck
They've actually been in my house for a few years, until just lately, or I would have sold it sooner.
Yeah, more specificity will help.
shloky
you've got 6 months, make X, need to put away Y to sustain that
support for family
and want to accomplish Z things while in country A and B
it becomes a plan instead of an idea
thirdtruck
Hmm, perhaps "Make double my total living expenses, on average, from remote freelance/contract work."
Invest half my work-time in that, half in a software project or SaaS that can turn into recurring income.
shloky
yeah, that's good for an aspirational tangible
also a baseline - I NEED TO MAKE X OR PUPPIES DIE
thirdtruck
Ideally some SaaS extracted from my own software needs, like so many other success stories.
I would *love* to host a space abroad that others can use as an escape.
"Come to Taiwan for six months and work on your software/game/animation portfolio for super-cheap, instead of taking out a six-figure loan for schooling."
haddiebird
!s Sin of youth
shloky
thats a good idea
KneeOnTiger
shlocky and haddiebird I've got a question too
shloky , rather
shloky
shoot
thirdtruck
But get my own house in order first, though I can develop a marketable "Build your portfolio abroad SOP" as part of my own travels.
haddiebird
KneeOnTiger yes?
KneeOnTiger
I work pretty isolated in my organization. I literally have the equivalent of an office floor to myself.
thirdtruck
But I've talked plenty. Handing the mic to KneeOnTiger.
KneeOnTiger
I like what i do and i know it is important. I make good money. I have full creative control and a budget and all that.
The problem is that it's only me. I am in charge of everything from concept to implementation.
It sounds great and mostly is. But, it's lonely as I dont have a team or anyone else I can really talk about projects with or bounce ideas off of.
I can't really talk to others locally that do what I do because the car business doesn't really allow for those types of creative conversations. its a very competitive environment and sharing of ideas is somewhat frowned upon.
Question: How can I get better at working alone?
shloky
yeah, spend six months abroad figuring it out and then do it
KneeOnTiger
woah that didnt paste like i thought it would
shloky
yeah, it pastes weird
but basically, you're an outsized individual contributor
KneeOnTiger
i dont follow.
shloky
sorry, had to talk, can't type and talk
but, yeah, the term i've heard is "individual contributor" vs "manager" or whatever
you own X, have a budget, power, etc, but the expectation is that you do it alone
KneeOnTiger
exactly
shloky
yeah, so you're basically working remotely, which sucks
KneeOnTiger
Working remotely on-site
shloky
Haha, yeah
Questions: Does your company support you in the sense of - can you approach whoever you report to and express this?
Is there a business need to interact with other departments or whatever? Is there like a vocational community online? (Like, there's lots of product management sites and tweeters and such.)
HowardChicken
!s Fire Her Mom
KneeOnTiger
It is ok to express this and I have to the tune of asking to develop an internship program. Which is still being discussed. there are a few community sites out there for what I do (e-Commerce Dir) for automotive.
shloky
gotcha, yeah, intern was my next suggestion. "I want to expand my skillset to include managing a team" or something.
I dunno, and this is my honest but ill-informed opinion, that individual contributor roles are dead ends
they provide lots of work-life balance and stability and ownership and stuff, but the point of creating that role as a manager is to fill it with someone
thirdtruck
Seems like you might as well go "full indie."
shloky
who will stay and own forever but not move up. like... why would they? they own this thing and have for five years and we pay that incrementally more. etc
KneeOnTiger
Thats how i am feeling. I feel like my job in this indistry is so far in the fringes that it is hard to justify and know what it is that I do. They know its important they don't know what it involves.
shloky
That's an opportunity in a way, if you think about it, to consult basically, to write about it
which is my next suggestion - if there isn't a great community, build it. write about it in a way that expresses domain expertise - automotive - but also something broader - ecommerce
thirdtruck
Yeah, there are almost certainly others out there who are open to sharing ideas and such.
HowardChicken
I used to freebase PHP
shloky
"how i moved the needle 3% and revenue increased X00,000" lets you engage with people who care about that and expose you to those people
haddiebird
!s PHP, the Gateway Drug to Technology
shloky
and also will fill your loneliness, and unearth new opportunities
thirdtruck
It sounds like you're basically freelancing for one big client anyway.
KneeOnTiger
Thats a great idea shloky - Thank you. Sharing my domain knowledge to the community
thirdtruck
It seems like the combination of technical and domain expertise is the new big differentiator these days, in companies.
shloky
sure, and if you're restless, use the work-life balance of this gig (which i'm probably overstating) to work-personal work
work out, work on becoming a community center, paint or whatever, and it becomes a 9-5 and meaning is found elsewhere
anyway, sorry, got metaphysical for a second
thirdtruck
Seconding shloky's advice. I never would have escaped my dead-end job back in my hometown without taking some of those same steps.
KneeOnTiger
No I like it. You got my number right away cause I do work all the time but the 9-5 work
shloky
from a hiring perspective - domain knowledge mitigates risk, technical is just what the work is, and communication is leverage
KneeOnTiger
if i understand right. You are saying just because I can do the stuff doesnt mean I can talk about how to do the stuff and being able to talk about how to do the stuff is what a hiring person is interested in.
HowardChicken
On the first day, you have to walk up to the biggest function in the codebase and refactor it in front of everybody.
shloky
yeah. it's weird because we don't really train people on getting a job, which is completely different from doing a job
being able to communicate you hhave domain and technical experience is the key
in a language they get
thirdtruck
HowardChicken: Hahaha.
shloky
read a businessweek before an interview, seriously
KneeOnTiger
that makes absolute sense.
thirdtruck
But yeah, seriously, don't do big refactorings when you're new to a job. That's almost cost me a job (and might have contributed to me losing another one).
KneeOnTiger
Thanks again. I really appreciate the guidance.
shloky
sure, email me as you go
KneeOnTiger
I will
thirdtruck
Practice your negotiation skills. I'm $5000 richer, from just one sign-on bonus, because I trained in that.
Time for me to leave the office. Good luck, everyone!
haddiebird
bye thirdtruck
!
thanks for joining us!
KneeOnTiger
how do you add a title again?
thirdtruck
Thank you!
shloky
!s insert title here
KneeOnTiger
!s Beer-Thirty
haddiebird
!s Shlok Cloak
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